Well, it needs to be well though out...and can't have an air of "I'm better than you, why don't you just quit, and make the art world a better place."

I've gotten one like that before. Has to be the most devestating thing in the world.

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Well thought out critiques is something this community lacks. Nobody cares, and when someone does, little children pitch a fit and get pissed off about it. Critique is crucial. If someone wants to be an artist, they better get used to it. Guess what all they do in art school/art classes? Critique the Hell out of your pictures, and sometimes they're not so nice about it. What do you think that judges and people ready to hire are going to do? Critique the Hell out of it before they decide that you're good.

"I'm better than you, why don't you just quit, and make the art world a better place."

That's not critique. People have lost sight of what "critique" is. That's just plain out insulting. Critiquing art is critical thinking. Thinking about specifically what's good and what's not so good and making you aware of it. Whether it's yourself or someone else.

It's really grating around here because there's just plain out a lot of children that have no college experience or no professional experience and are just plain babies about it. A bad example, yet a good one, Snapesnogger. She shits bricks anytime someone leaves a critique (a true one with good and bad) and gets her retarded fanbase of children to attack them. It's an extreme example, but a lot of people disrespect it like that.

Really, I gave up. That's why I don't comment much around here these days. It's crap. Getting "BUT ITZ MY STYLE," "I KNOW. I JUST GOT LAZY," or a pissed off reaction isn't worth my time when I'm just trying to help.

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hee hee~ I know this sounds bad, but I don't like people critiquing my work and I can't bring myself to do it to anyone elses. This is kinda bad in a way because critiques should be helpful to you work, but I like a sugar coated world~! XD

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I found this hard to answer because I'm not sure I've ever gotten a real critique on this site... and I guess to me it doesn't matter. I went through 4 years of art school and most of the first year was profs being so hard on our work that you wanted to cry. It was meant to build up a thick skin and teach you to defend your work and not take it too personally (they are critiquing your work afterall not you), so I'm used to critque.

On DA though, I find that most people think 'critique' means say as many mean and insulting things about your work as they can think of. I changed my preferences to no crit desired for two reasons:
1) Most of things I post any more are commissions and they are the way the person who paid for them wanted so I really don't care if somebody else sees something wrong with them. As long as the client was happy that's all that matters.
2) I got tired of immature people saying stupid things that weren't helpful at all. Part of critique is pointing out things that need improvement, but the other part is suggesting ways to fix those problems and say what is working well with the image. People seem to forget that.


So, I guess after all that rambling, my decision is no. It's not that I know everything about what's wrong with my work, but since I've never gotten a helpful crit here on DA, I'd rather just not deal with people being rude for rude's sak.

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Yes, I agree. Also, there is a very tasteful way of critiqueing. This is what separates it from criticism (although, like you said, a lot of people seem to think the two are the same thing). I always prefer it when people suggest ways to improve it as well. Otherwise, it's just stating negative things with no solutions. I also hate ambiguous stuff, like "Her foot looks a little off to me." What does that even mean? I can do without those kinds of things. Any time I give critique is after I've already pointed out things I like and why. But I am totally with you. Making the client happy is the most important (and when there is no commissioner, the artist is the client ).

I don't tend to like critique for those reasons, but also because what I post is done and I'm not gonna be touching it any more (unless it says WIP or that I MIGHT fiish it later somewhere in the desc). What is done is done, you know?

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But there is a good way to do critique and a lot of people just don't know how. It doesn't mean pointing out all the bad stuff wrong with the image. It can be done very tastefuly so that the artist does not take offense and actually sees the errors. Unfortunately, very few people know how to do it properly. :/

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Oh, God, yeah. The "that's just my style" defense. I love that one. "Oh, really, it's your style to draw two left feet? I had no idea! It's your style to draw eight stomach muscles and not six? I see!"

One prime example, though I don't like to point out names, is . For a long time, I would constantly give praise to her works (despite their flaws), and I would leave personal, detailed comments. Not just "nice work" like so many people around here. I pointed out specific things I liked about it, and would often ask her specific questions. Not "how did you do this?" but more like, "Will you eventually have any tutorials?" You know, things that are easy to answer. NEVER did I get a reply, thank you, or so much as an acknowledgement from her, until one glorious day I pointed out a minor thing that I found wrong with her work (after I peppered it with compliments, too, mind you). Then all of a sudden, she found the time to reply, like magic. She told me she didn't appreciate or want any critique (and to her defense, she did have it listed as "no critique desired" and I just overlooked it) but that was it. No thank for the other stuff I pointed out. Also, she informed me that she did not appreciate my critique in a most stuck-up and snotty manner.

Of course, I naturally apologized profusely for having overlooked it, which got no reply. Surprise.

I wrote her note explaining that I found it ironic and insulting that it was only after a minor bit of critique that she found time to reply and not when I had asked specific, easy-to-answer questions of her that would only have taken a moment of her time.

She wrote back with something along the lines of, "lol I've done nothing wrong so dont go all emo on me." Gag me. After this, I stopped watching her. I really don't care if her art is good or bad any more because I just can't deal with whiny babies (or attention whores).

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Yeah, that's not critique, it's just insulting. And most people who do that are insecure with their own art, so try to abolish those who are better than they are by making them feel too inferior to post anything any more. Or, they just thrive on drama. Occasionally, both. Well-thought-out critique is very rare around here...

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wow the weird thing is some are way past grown and still act so immature . Me I take critics ok I guess because I myself always find a crtique on my own paintings lol so I know they aren't perfect lol but anyways like almost every proffesion and things you do in the world you do mistakes and sometimes need critique as well Why simple quote from a movie:
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Daughter-Did you ever do a mistake a big one that if you could go back and change it
Mother-No
Daughter-I mean one that could've changed your whole life
Mother-Well I did do mistakes but I don't regret them
Daughter-Why?
Mother-Because if I wouldn't do them I wouldn't of learn how to make things right
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That says everything just like mistakes no matter how bad they feel critques are similar. You may not like them at times, but hey if you don't get them you would'nt point those things out and perfect your art.Which is why I show my mom who I got my drawing skills from my paintings too she points some things out that I could work on in the future.So yeah good critiques are always nessesscary for paintings, but I always say it in a good way for a reason most times some people put their heart into a painting so saying it straight up will crush them, so I comment and also nice critique which is much sweeter Even yeah in art schools the judges and teachers are something else bleh.But like always there are bad critiques that are plain insulting those seriously are not better then people are just full of themselves